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Arceus....
OK....I was very iffy about making this rant, because it touches on a very sensitive subject: religion. However, I've asked around ETF, and I've talked to my mom, and I've decided that it's OK to make a thread about this. There are a few Pokemon that I dislike; whether my opinion of a Pokemon is affected by the fandom's treatment of it, by its concept, or just its design. But Arceus is unique. Arceus is the one Pokemon I actually wish didn't exist. And now I'm gonna tell you why.
*INHAAALE*....oklet'sripoffthebandaidquick Why does this thing have to be the god of the Pokemon universe??? Why does this universe need a Pokegod???
Normally this wouldn't bother me so much, especially considering Pokemon like Banette and Yamask are actually cool in my book because of how morally ambiguous they are, though they probably shouldn't be XD but, well, since I'm a Christian, the concept of an overarching Pokemon deity rubs me the wrong way for reasons I can't explain without sounding....weird. But I think you get where I'm coming from. If you have/had your own God that you respect and worship and believe in, and saw that some franchise you like, say...Mario, had suddenly created their own version of that, ripping actual phrases and practices from your belief, you might be rubbed the wrong way too. :P
Thing is, though, its actual place as the Pokemon god isn't directly stated by Nintendo. It created the Sinnoh region (presumably just from a desert) and MAY have created the rest of the Pokemon universe. MAY. Also, signature move Judgement. Those are the only indicators.
The real reason Arceus rubs me the wrong way is because of how the fandom treats it. Fandom's treatment of a Pokemon affects my opinion of that Pokemon wayyyy more than it should. It took me like two weeks to decide to train Blaziken because of how much love everybody lathers on it and how much it gets used. XD But....well....when I see stuff like this......this just makes me feel all kinds of wrong.
These are the tamer ones I could find. O-O
Thing is, I normally don't mind fandom. Really, I don't. I actually enjoy the random ridiculous antics they come up with sometimes. And even now, I don't hate these wacky guys. It's just....the fact that they did this. I mean, why?? Because it's funny??? It's not. I'm sorry, it's just really really not. >__<
[Normally I'd make a big speech here about respect and tolerance of religions, but I don't really care. The fact that people (not you guys <3) tend to respect and leave alone things like Buddhism and Mormon but pick on Christianity just makes me more confident in being a Christian, if that makes any sense. XXDD]
SOYAH. Basic overarching reason for my hatred of Arceus. There are, of course, a few extra little reasons building on top of this major one, and there are ALSO some things I've found that somewhat...lessen my hatred of it. If it's red, it makes me hate it more, and if it's green, it makes me hate it less. These go on for awhile, so I'll just slap 'em all in spoilers. XXDD
*breathes* OKAY!......well, that's why I hate Arceus. ......Sorry if I wasn't very tactful. Or if you really like Arceus. I did my best. Feel free to post your opinions. If you like Arceus, or if it's even your favorite Pokemon, that's totally fine. You like Arceus. ...I just don't. XDD
If you read this thing all the way to the end without exiting the thread from disagreement, I am seriously amazed at you right now. You get a cookie. But if you didn't read all the way through, that's fine. You get a cookie too. XXDD THANKS FOR READING! Y'all are da bomb. @w@
*INHAAALE*....oklet'sripoffthebandaidquick Why does this thing have to be the god of the Pokemon universe??? Why does this universe need a Pokegod???
Normally this wouldn't bother me so much, especially considering Pokemon like Banette and Yamask are actually cool in my book because of how morally ambiguous they are, though they probably shouldn't be XD but, well, since I'm a Christian, the concept of an overarching Pokemon deity rubs me the wrong way for reasons I can't explain without sounding....weird. But I think you get where I'm coming from. If you have/had your own God that you respect and worship and believe in, and saw that some franchise you like, say...Mario, had suddenly created their own version of that, ripping actual phrases and practices from your belief, you might be rubbed the wrong way too. :P
Thing is, though, its actual place as the Pokemon god isn't directly stated by Nintendo. It created the Sinnoh region (presumably just from a desert) and MAY have created the rest of the Pokemon universe. MAY. Also, signature move Judgement. Those are the only indicators.
The real reason Arceus rubs me the wrong way is because of how the fandom treats it. Fandom's treatment of a Pokemon affects my opinion of that Pokemon wayyyy more than it should. It took me like two weeks to decide to train Blaziken because of how much love everybody lathers on it and how much it gets used. XD But....well....when I see stuff like this......this just makes me feel all kinds of wrong.
- This one especially makes me cringe. >__<:
These are the tamer ones I could find. O-O
Thing is, I normally don't mind fandom. Really, I don't. I actually enjoy the random ridiculous antics they come up with sometimes. And even now, I don't hate these wacky guys. It's just....the fact that they did this. I mean, why?? Because it's funny??? It's not. I'm sorry, it's just really really not. >__<
[Normally I'd make a big speech here about respect and tolerance of religions, but I don't really care. The fact that people (not you guys <3) tend to respect and leave alone things like Buddhism and Mormon but pick on Christianity just makes me more confident in being a Christian, if that makes any sense. XXDD]
SOYAH. Basic overarching reason for my hatred of Arceus. There are, of course, a few extra little reasons building on top of this major one, and there are ALSO some things I've found that somewhat...lessen my hatred of it. If it's red, it makes me hate it more, and if it's green, it makes me hate it less. These go on for awhile, so I'll just slap 'em all in spoilers. XXDD
- Hate it more OmO:
- Didn't Mew's Pokedex entry say it was the "anscestor of all Pokemon"? That's cool! Mew is cool! That's a cool story for a rare and special Pokemon that makes it feel even more rare and special! And then Arceus comes along claiming to have "created all Pokemon" in its Pokedex entry. So, does that make it the first Pokemon? Does that mean it created Mew? Call me biased, but I liked it better when Mew was the first Pokemon. At least it's a relatively meek and mysterious creature, not big and powerful and boasting and...goat-ish....
- Hate it less @w@:
- Arceus and the Jewel of Life. I thought this movie would portray Arceus as a villain, which is why I watched it. XXDD Turns out Arceus is never explicitly referred to as a god. And it doesn't have the power to create something from nothing. It uses these life plates with elemental powers to create stuff. And it created that one town from a desert. It may be incredibly powerful, but it's certainly not omnipotent. I'm so glad they haven't made a straight up omnipotent Pokemon. Yet. XXDD
- Hate it more OmO:
- This thing was REALLY strong for awhile. Like, stupidly strong. I normally wouldn't mind that, but remember, this is just building onto the main reason. The thing that bugs me the most about its strength is that it was stronger than Mewtwo. Mewtwo, whose Pokedex entry calls it the "ultimate Pokemon". This fascinating, fierce clone creature, this rare challenge, this coveted trophy, undefeated champion of Pokepower for the longest time, dethroned by Arceus. ....I'm going all genwunner. Even though I've never even played a Gen 1 game. XXDD
- Hate it less @w@:
- Thankfully, this problem has since been averted. Mewtwo reclaimed its place as the most powerful Pokemon in XY with its aweshum Mega Evolutions, and then ORAS came along and Mega Rayquaza did the unthinkable and BROKE THE UBERS TIER. Considering that Rayquaza, while cool, isn't really hailed as the strongest at anything, this really cracks me up. It's awesome. It's like, while Mewtwo and Arceus sit around slap-fighting, Rayquaza just flies up going "SQUEEZE ME GUISE GOT AN ULTIMATE TIER TO BREAK GTG BAIIIII<333"....And Mewtwo is still stronger than Arceus, and so in my mind, the strongest in Ubers tier. YAII. @w@
- Hate it more OmO:
- Even if Arceus isn't technically a god, despite what the memes say, its existence still feels pointless to me. It's in charge of the Creation Trio, Dialga Palkia and Giratina, and all four of them have their own dimension parallel to the main Pokemon world. But here's the thing.
Dialga controls the dimension of time.
Palkia controls the dimension of space.
Giratina controls the reverse dimension, which is an inverted version of the regular world.
Arceus controls the dimension of........umm.........uhhh......it-it has its own dimension. I'll just call it the dimension of pointlessness, or nothing. .....Yeah......seriously what is Arceus' dimension of?
- Hate it more OmO:
- One more thing....the Azure Flute. The only key event item in the original Gen IV games to exist in the games, but never be distrubuted. I have no clue what went wrong here. Maybe they finished the event and went "....Nah I don't like it"? Maybe they just forgot? I have no idea. But, the only way to catch and name your Arceus is to hack the Azure flute. Otherwise, you should just wait for an unnameable event Arceus.
Also, ability. .....Not a huge fan of the type-change-held-plate-form thing. .....Bleh. XD
- Hate it...the same. I don't care about this, I just feel like I should bring it up. XD:
- In the anime, Arceus' name is pronounced "Ar-kee-us". Even though everybody in the history of ever, and the technical phonetic rules of English, are all in agreement that Arceus should be pronounced "Ar-see-us".
...Whatever. XXDD
*breathes* OKAY!......well, that's why I hate Arceus. ......Sorry if I wasn't very tactful. Or if you really like Arceus. I did my best. Feel free to post your opinions. If you like Arceus, or if it's even your favorite Pokemon, that's totally fine. You like Arceus. ...I just don't. XDD
If you read this thing all the way to the end without exiting the thread from disagreement, I am seriously amazed at you right now. You get a cookie. But if you didn't read all the way through, that's fine. You get a cookie too. XXDD THANKS FOR READING! Y'all are da bomb. @w@
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Re: Arceus....
I personally don't hate Arceus or anything, but I guess I can kind of understand why you do… I suppose I'm not really as easily offended by that sort of thing. *cough* Multiple reasons for that, whoops Anyway, I really have no strong opinion on this matter one way or another, but either way, I respect your opinion completely, and I'm actually kind of glad you decided to rant. When you want to rant about something, you really should rant.
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That was actually very well-worded and such. It wasn't shoving anything in anyone's faces or anything at all; well done. You made your point in such a way that you sounded respectable. Perfectly done. :3
Anyway, I can't say I can truly see the situation from your point of view, but I entirely see your point. Fandoms can be absolutely disgraceful. They're awful for reading far too much into innocent, in-universe characters and situations. Oftentimes, they twist things into something they aren't, usually with very sad results.
Anyway, I can't say I can truly see the situation from your point of view, but I entirely see your point. Fandoms can be absolutely disgraceful. They're awful for reading far too much into innocent, in-universe characters and situations. Oftentimes, they twist things into something they aren't, usually with very sad results.
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heyy yoo, sorry you feel like people don't really respect your views and opinions in the fandom
but eh, those are fandoms for you.
honestly, some are good, and some are bad. and sometimes you have to look a little harder to find the good areas in the bad.
but if worse comes to worse, and you cant find the good. perhaps its just best if you leave the pokemon fandom all together.
i mean, you don't have to stop loving and enjoying pokemon, but instead just leave the fandom part, the part that makes you uncomfortable.
i was really far deep into the supernatural a while ago, and it was great while it lasted. but there were a ton of hurtful comments and tbh, the majority of the fandom was just incredibly embarrassing. so i left the fandom. but even so, i still enjoy watching the show every tuesday, even though ive left the fandom
im not sure what website or whatnot to interact with your fandom, but if its tumblr, theres a pretty easy way to actually be part of the fandom and not see arceus. theres a thing called "blacklisting" where you type in the name of something you dont want to see. if a post comes up and contains the word arceus, the post will not show up.
i hope everything works out for ya
but eh, those are fandoms for you.
honestly, some are good, and some are bad. and sometimes you have to look a little harder to find the good areas in the bad.
but if worse comes to worse, and you cant find the good. perhaps its just best if you leave the pokemon fandom all together.
i mean, you don't have to stop loving and enjoying pokemon, but instead just leave the fandom part, the part that makes you uncomfortable.
i was really far deep into the supernatural a while ago, and it was great while it lasted. but there were a ton of hurtful comments and tbh, the majority of the fandom was just incredibly embarrassing. so i left the fandom. but even so, i still enjoy watching the show every tuesday, even though ive left the fandom
im not sure what website or whatnot to interact with your fandom, but if its tumblr, theres a pretty easy way to actually be part of the fandom and not see arceus. theres a thing called "blacklisting" where you type in the name of something you dont want to see. if a post comes up and contains the word arceus, the post will not show up.
i hope everything works out for ya
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Thanks guys! Well, maybe I didn't need the disclaimer after all? XD
That's cool, Twily! I like your suggestion to leave the fandom, and I totally would, except that I...like it. Specifically, the people in it. I dunno why, but every time I talk to them (usually on PS) they treat me pretty well, they have a great sense of humor and I just really enjoy being a part of it. I do admit, the fandom isn't always diplomatic about everything, but even if this is an annoying slip-up for me, that's kinda all it is--a slip-up.
I do love your Tumblr suggestion though. If I ever join, I'll definitely try that. Thanks so much! :D
That's cool, Twily! I like your suggestion to leave the fandom, and I totally would, except that I...like it. Specifically, the people in it. I dunno why, but every time I talk to them (usually on PS) they treat me pretty well, they have a great sense of humor and I just really enjoy being a part of it. I do admit, the fandom isn't always diplomatic about everything, but even if this is an annoying slip-up for me, that's kinda all it is--a slip-up.
I do love your Tumblr suggestion though. If I ever join, I'll definitely try that. Thanks so much! :D
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